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    Default Givenchy Pandora- pebbled goat skin

    I passed on purchasing this bag because I didn’t think it could be repaired, but now I know differently. See the stains on the bottom of the bag in photos 3&4, and the abrasion/hole in photo 2. Which Leather Doctor kit and items do I need in order to clean, condition, repair, dye, polish, and seal/protect this bag?
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    >>> See the stains on the bottom of the bag in photos 3&4,

    These stains are penetrated and it could be from the inside of the bag that leaks out, take a good look at the lining and possibly open up some threads to see the suede side. Stain is also easily removed from the more open fiber from the suede side with less potential damage if done on the grain side.

    How to identify Leather Stains?

    Leather Stains are identified by Appearance, Odor, Color, Feel-of-Hand, Location, and Buildup or Absorbed!

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    Appearance

    Stain identification by appearance will show whether it is characteristic of a spill, rub-on, penetrated or deposited.

    It may also reveal dye or finish damage caused by the stain.

    Odor

    Stain identification by smell can be very helpful in positive identification.

    Some of the more common odors may be moldy, smoke, putrid, or ammonia from urine.

    Color

    Stain identification by color will also give a clue about the staining material.

    If the stain is red, it could be beverages, nail polish, lipstick, blood, or some other things.

    Color identification may not necessarily be right; with time, a red bloodstain may turn to a stain that ranges from tan to black.

    The color of the leather may mesmerize or alter the color of the stain.

    Feel of Hand

    Stain identification by feel of hand may help determine the stain types.

    For instance, if it is sticky and red it could be candy, beverages, or other things that have sugar in them.

    If the stain is brittle and stiff, it may be nail polish, shellac, or paint.

    If it smears, it may have a grease base to it, such as lipstick.

    Location

    Stain identification by location may give a clue as to the makeup of the staining substance.

    If it is dark at the headrest or the edge of the armrest, it is most likely stain by body oil, grease, and perspiration by hand or by the head.

    Buildup or Absorbed

    A stain may take several appearances.

    The stain may be lying on top of the leather (buildup) on most pigmented leather or absorbed into the leather on most unfinished, aniline, and nubuck leathers.

    Naturally, it could also be a combination of absorbed and built up.

    If it has been absorbed, this will be an indication that it was a liquid when it penetrates the leather.

    It should also alert us that it may have chemically changed the dye of the leather.

    An example of this would be a perspiration stain that has reacted with the leather dye and changed it in some way.

    This would occur more likely on dyed absorbent leathers.

    The perspiration could also have weakened the fibers of the leather.

    In any event, this leather may show a marked color change in that area after spotting, and possibly after cleaning.

    Examples of built-up stains are paint and some foodstuff, etc.

    Examples of absorbed stains are beverages, wine, tea, coffee, etc.

    A combination stain may be lipstick, ink, mustard, etc.

    It will have part of its staining matter absorbed into the leather and part of it accumulated on the surface.

    A stain may also be a substance that has wet solvent-soluble and dry solvent-soluble components combined.

    An example of this would be gravy which contains grease, flour (from a plant), and milk (from an animal).

    Paint-type stains are readily detected because of their stiff nature and generally bright colors and they seem to be sitting on top of the leather.

    When identifying stains always try to determine whether they are of a protein, cellulose, oil-based, or colloidal makeup nature.

    Three common types of soiling or stain are solvent-soluble, water-soluble, and insoluble.

    Stains are of a combination nature, and in most instances, there will be no information regarding the stain especially if they are bought used.

    >>> and the abrasion/hole in photo 2.

    Abrasions without any sticking-out flaps are smooth with Adhesor-73 which becomes a part of the leather with smooth skin. The color intensity will also be magnified as the dyestuff may move to the surface.

    >>> and the abrasion/hole in photo 2.

    Holes are filled with donor suede fiber taken from the Patch-4S,
    https://www.leatherdoctor.com/leather-patch-4s/

    stain dyed to match with Aniline-21,
    https://www.leatherdoctor.com/aniline-leather-dye-21/

    and filled with Bond-3D
    https://www.leatherdoctor.com/leather-bond-3d/

    Weakness of the abraded spot may require Impregnator-26
    https://www.leatherdoctor.com/leatherimpregnator-26-1/
    prior to Bond-3D or Adhesor-73

    >>> Which Leather Doctor kit and items do I need in order to clean, condition, repair, dye, polish, and seal/protect this bag?

    The kit nearest to your needs is from Aniline Leather Dye Refinishing Kit A7.cl. Products mentioned are individually added to accomplish your objective.
    https://www.leatherdoctor.com/leathe...ing-kit-a7-cl/
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    Roger Koh
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    Consultant / Practitioner / Instructor / Coach
    web: www.leatherdoctor.com
    forum: www.leathercleaningrestorationforum.com
    email: [email protected],
    email: [email protected]

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    Roger,
    Thank you so much for giving your time and knowledge so freely! Do you have any videos posted online or on YouTube demonstrating how to use your products on aniline leather?

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    >>> Do you have any videos posted online or on YouTube demonstrating how to use your products on aniline leather?

    It will take a while to do any video, as there is much work to edit more than 150 system kits, and I only completed less than 30 of them into a new format making it more DIY friendly to read and understand. I would like your comment on what is written. A video presentation will still need a good script. Meanwhile, you can ask as many questions as you need to understand the reasons for the procedure or steps essential for a holistic system. All the Leather Doctor's matched systems are leather-safe, which means that there is no technical mistake possible with the recommended products used.

    Here is an example of an Aniline Leather Care Kit A3 that spelled out 'How to Work' with product systems within the kit.

    How to work with Prep-4.4, Cleaner-3.8, and Rinse-3.0 systems?

    1- Prep-4.4 works with a horsehair leather Brush-1 for spreading and brushing to allow for a sufficient dwell time of 5 mins to an hour for penetrating, lubricating, and suspending the soiling, then brush again prior to towel extraction until thetowel new folding side shows clean.

    2- Cleaner-3.8 is sprayed and brushed and suspended soiling is towel extracted until the new folding side shows clean.

    3- Rinse-3.0 is sprayed and brushed again with towel extraction until the new side shows clean and dry ready for hydrating and fatliquoring.

    How to work with Hydrator-3.3 and Fatliquor-5.0 systems?

    1- Hydrator-3.3 is sprayed and brushed using a horsehair leather Brush-1 to distribute and be absorbed into the leather structure.

    2- When the leather appears evenly with moisture saturation, staking, massaging, and flexing return to dimension and is ready for fatliquoring.

    3- Leather Fatliquor-5.0 is sprayed and brushed to distribute and be absorbed into the leather structure.

    4- Fatliquor-5.0 is repeatedly applied each time the water content evaporates and until the leather takes no more.

    5- Leather is left to slow natural drying and before it is fully dried, staking, massaging, or flexing until fully dry will result in softer leather, and ready for protective conditioning.

    How to work with Leather Scent Protector-B+?

    1- Protector-B+ is sprayed and spread with a folding towel for an even appearance, let dry, and ready to use.

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    Aniline Leather Care Kit A3 by Leather Doctor

    Read More . . .
    https://www.leatherdoctor.com/anilin...r-care-kit-a3/
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    Thank you Roger. Do you offer any other shipping options for your leather care kits? It’s only giving me one option for shipping and it’s $96. Is there a less expensive shipping option?

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    Shipping right now is from the Philippines that why this high price and only one option.

    We are in the process to move back our shipping to Vancouver, Canada with a lower rate and options.

    Hopefully sometimes by middle of year and that all products becomes available again.

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