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    I just bought two products , the degreaser and the acidifier , would that be enough ? Are these products the right ones for these stains ? I do not know what is the cause of the stains . Also I have other bags, how can I protect them form stains ? I appreciate your help.
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    From pictures, this leather is identified as “Vachetta” leathers and the Vachetta (V) Leather Problem Solving Guide is used as reference.

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    >>> I just bought two products, the Degreaser-2.2 and the Acidifier-2.0, would that be enough?

    These products would be enough to degrease and rinse the stain, but to complete a holistic process would require the leather to be rejuvenated with Hydrator-3.3 > Fatliquor-5.0 system to soften and strengthen the leather and Protector-D as a non-stick, rub-resistant protector with surface healing properties for surface scuffing.


    >>> Are these products the right ones for these stains? I do not know what is the cause of the stains.


    The stain from picture #3 could possibly be from oil or grease based stain, it could also be from an alkaline-based solution and Degreaser-2.2 > Acidifier-2.0 would be the most logical solution for the problem.

    Picture # 2 could possibly be protein related stains like milk or other foodstuff, if so would require d’Protein-10 > Acidifier-2.0 >Hydrator-3.3 > Fatliquor-5.0 > Protector-D system. This would also depends on the result from Degreaser-2.2 > Acidifier-2.0 attempt to it to see how it response.


    >>> Also I have other bags, how can I protect them from stains?

    There are two areas of protection, from the leather structure itself and from the surface. When absorbent leathers like vachetta is fully saturated with Fatliquor-5.0 (fat, oil and water) it becomes less absorbent, besides with softness and strength and not to worry about cracking. Surface protection is to impart a non-stick, rub-resistant surface that also does healing repairs to surfaces scuffing.


    Roger Koh
    Leather Care Consultant
    www.LeatherDoctor.com


    Products information:


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    Leather Doctor Kit V5.dr – Vachetta Leather Degreaser Kit
    Leather Doctor® Kit V5.dr, vachetta, saddlery and veg-tan leather degreaser kit is an innovative leather-safe degreasing system for removing grease and sweat contamination. When sweat accumulates and ages it shift alkaline, besides the apparent darkening effect it will also impart a sticky feel to the leather. Leather is composed of protein fiber with other leather constituents like the tanning agents and the fatliquor. The tanning agent preserves the leather while the fatliquor softens it. The protein fiber is amphoteric while the other component is non-amphoteric. They come together by hydrogen bonding. When the pH of the leather rises due to the sweat, the protein fiber begins to shift ionic negative and breaks bond with the ionic negative tanning agent and the fatliquor. The protein fiber loosing the ionic attraction from the tannin agent denatures and revert the leather to rawhide as experience with tackiness or stickiness in extreme cases. The stiffness of the leather is due to the loss of the fatliquor that lubricates the fibers thus the fiber becomes stick together and when flex cracks. The darkening effect is partially contributes by high pH exposure, as alkaline darkens and acidity lightens the appearance of leather. To rectify the compound problem the grease and sweat contamination is remove. The protein fiber is degreased and recharged ionic positive below its iso-electric point (pI) by using Degreaser-2.2 follows by Acidifier-2.0. This combination degreasing and rinsing process should improve the darkening effect while reversing the leather to a healthy squeaky feel. Hydrator-3.3 helps rectify alkaline overexposure areas by facilitating colloidal water movement to redistribute the leather constituents from surrounding areas, while purging foreign contamination to resurface and charging the protein fiber below its iso-electric point (pI) ionic positive to hydrogen bond with the ionic negative fatliquor more effectively. Fat and oil is replenished with Fatliquor-5.0 to return the leather for softness and suppleness when dry. Protector-D heals and conceals scuff and abrasion marks; imparts a rub resistant draggy-feel against friction rubs and shield against sticky soiling while prolonging the appearance of the leather longer. Note that the mentioned products suffix numbers denotes its pH value for a safer degreasing approach to pH sensitive leather. Leather is an amphoteric material and shifting of it pH value obliviously causes the leather to darkens, denature and reverts to rawhide.

    Instruction:

    Degreasing:
    It is important to note that Degreaser-2.2 need to be shaken to gel prior to use by a repeat shake and pause rhythm.
    1. Apply and agitate to saturate the contamination with the horsehair detailing brush for penetration and Eraser-4 for surface removal.
    2. Terry towel extract emulsified and suspended soiling until it shows clean.
    3. Spray Acidifier-2.0 to saturate, agitate and towel extract until it shows clean.
    4. Let naturally dry for soiling particulates to resurface.
    5. Erase wick up soiling particulates with Eraser-4 and inspect with either repeating degreasing process or proceed to hydrating.

    Hydrating:
    1. Spray Hydrator-3.3, saturating the thickness of the leather to an optimum level with moistures oozing out when gently pressed between thumb and fingers.
    2. Cover up with plastic wrapping to control evaporation and let it dwell up to 72 hours for effective colloidal movement to take place both redistributing leather constituent from surrounding area while purging foreign soiling particulates to resurface.
    3. Remove plastic wrapping, replace with tissue paper without airspace to trap stains as it dries instead of remaining on the surface.
    4. Peel tissue paper when crispy dry and erase with Eraser-4 prior to fatliquoring.

    Fat and Oil Replenishing:
    1. Spray Fatliquor-5.0 and redistribute the entire section evenly with foam brush until fully saturated.
    2. Repeat reapplication when water content evaporates until fully saturated.
    3. Let natural dry for extra softness and wick up soiling particulates is erases with Eraser-4 when crispy dry.

    Rub-Resistant Protection:
    1. Mist sprays Protector-D foam brush or paper towel redistribute it and is ready for use when dry.

    Kit Content and Product Description:

    Leather Doctor® Degreaser-2.2 (120ml)
    Degreaser-2.2 is a waterbased pH 2.2 high viscosity formulated leather degreaser. It is for degreasing leather of penetrated oil, grease and sweat stains from skin and hair contact. Emulsified contamination is rinse with Rinse-3.0 to a squeaky-feel. It is important to note that Degreaser-2.2 need to be shaken to gel prior to use by a repeat shake and pause rhythm.

    Leather Doctor® Acidifier-2.0 (250ml)
    Acidifier-2.0 is a waterbased pH 2.0 leather acidifier to pH balance alkaline overexposure and returning the leather to a healthy squeaky-feel. It is to strengthen the ionic bond between the tanning agent and the leather protein fiber from denaturing and reverting to rawhide.

    Leather Doctor® Hydrator-3.3 (250ml)
    Hydrator-3.3 is a waterbased pH 3.3 leather-safe hydrator. It is a fatliquor preconditioner with multi functional abilities. Surface application is primary to check for even surface tension free of blotchiness prior to fatliquor replenishing. Structural application will require saturating to an optimum level with moisture oozing out when gently pressed between thumb and fingers. The multi functional abilities include: a) to check for surface tension for an even appearance free from blotchiness prior to fatliquor replenishing. b) To plumps, relaxes and separates crushed, shrunk and stick together fibrils for manipulating away-unwanted creases and wrinkles. c) To rectify alkaline overexposure areas by facilitating colloidal water movement to redistribute the leather constituents from surrounding areas. d) To activate the dormant dyestuff within the leather structure for color refreshing. e) To facilitates colloidal water movement within the inter-fibrillary spaces for wicking foreign soiling particulates to resurface. f) To stabilize, pH balance and charge the protein fiber below its iso-electric point (pI) ionic positive to hydrogen bond with the ionic negative fatliquor more effectively. This universal Hydrator-3.3 is for all leather types including pigmented, aniline, vachetta, nubuck, suede, hair-on-hide and woolskin.

    Leather Doctor® Fatliquor-5.0 (250ml)
    Fatliquor-5.0, a micro emulsion of fat, oil and water is an anionic charged pH 5.0 fatliquor for rejuvenating all leather types. It relaxes coarse breaks, creases and wrinkles enhance suppleness and prevent cracking. It softens the leather with stretchability, compressibility and flexibility, while enhancing its rip tensile strength greatly. It is for replenishing the original fat and oil that diminishes thru sun-bleaching, ageing, heat and alkaline overexposure or cleaning. On application, the water-encased molecule breaks free when hydrogen bond attraction takes place between the fat and oil with the protein fiber. The excess free water content wicks out leaving a breathing space behind for leather natural transpiration. The fat plumps the leather with fullness from easily collapsing into creases and wrinkles during stress or flex, while the oil lubricates the fibers so that they slide over one another smoothly like millions of inter-connecting hinges. Thus helps to keep leather at its optimum physical performance and prevent premature ageing. This universal Fatliquor-5.0 is for all leather types including pigmented, aniline, vachetta, nubuck, suede, hair- on-hide and woolskin.

    Leather Doctor® Protector-D (120ml)
    Protector-D is a non-film forming, non-stick rub-resistant protector that enhances a draggy-feel. It imparts a non-stick breathable barrier essentially to shield the detrimental effects of sticky soiling. Its natural draggy-feel protection increases the leather resistance to wet and dry rubs, thus reduce stretch, scuff and abrasion. It is as a scuff repairer, filling and concealing surface scuffs to improve appearance. The drag produces an unforgettable familiar sound sweet to the ears when leather is rubbed.

    Leather Brush-1 (1pc)
    Leather Brush-1 is a horsehair detailing brush design ergonomically to be an extension of our hand with a sturdy grooved grip. It is design to produce effective result easily and efficiently. It is recommend for all smooth leather for a soft and scratch-free cleaning. Its length is 7 inches with a three-row bristle 1˝ inches cleaning head.

    3 inch Poly-Brush (1 pc)
    Poly Brush is a dense foam that resists tearing and shredding and carries more material. It has a solid wood handle that allows greater control for quality results. It is for controlling and spreading fatliquor for a more even distribution.

    Paper Towel Rags (5 pc)
    This rag works like cloth, lint free, highly absorbent and washable. General application is for extracting suspended soiling or for spreading hydrator, fatliquor or protector. It is for both dye and topcoat padding for smooth leathers.


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    Leather Doctor Kit V5.ps – Vachetta Leather Protein Remover Kit
    Leather Doctor® Kit V5.ps, unfinished leather protein based stain removal kit is designed to remove protein based stains that tends to coagulated. d’Protein-10 is developed to deflocculates coagulating protein stains such as blood, body-discharge, milk, cream, ice cream, egg, meat juices, vomit, perspiration, urine and other protein based stains. Moreover, any staining that comes from a living animal or person will probably need this product in the removing process. Acidifier-2.0 is a leather pH stabilizer that is used to rinse and neutralize to its desired neutral pH of 3 - 5 simultaneously and ensures that the leather retain its healthy squeaky feel with a wet finger testing. Hydrator-3.3 relaxes stiff leather and reduces surface tension prior to fat and oil replenishing. Fatliquor-5.0 replenishing rejuvenates the leather structure for softness and suppleness when dry. Protector-D imparts a rub resistant draggy-feel against friction rubs and shield against sticky soiling while prolonging the appearance of the leather longer. Note that the mentioned products suffix numbers denotes its pH value in this holistic approach to removing protein based stains from auto-perforated leathers.

    Instruction

    Stain Removal
    1. Surface deposit are brushed away using the horsehair Brush-1.
    2. Spray d’Protein-10 agitate with horsehair Brush-1 and towel extract until towel shows clean.
    2. Spray again to remaining stain agitates with horsehair Brush-1, let dwell 10 to 30 minutes and towel extract until towel shows clean.
    3. Spray Acidifier-2.0 to rinse and pH balance follows with towel extract until towel shows clean.


    Leather Doctor® d’Protein-10 (250ml)
    This is a waterbased pH 10 leather protein stain remover. It is for removing blood, body-discharge, milk, cream, ice-cream, egg, meat juices, vomit, perspiration, urine and other protein based stains. In addition, any staining that comes from a living animal or person will probably need this product in the removing process.
    Last edited by Roger Koh; 12-15-2013 at 03:26 PM.

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    Thank you so much! I am looking forward to trying the products ....will let you know ;-) thanks again


    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Koh View Post
    From pictures, this leather is identified as “Vachetta” leathers and the Vachetta (V) Leather Problem Solving Guide is used as reference.

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    >>> I just bought two products, the Degreaser-2.2 and the Acidifier-2.0, would that be enough?

    These products would be enough to degrease and rinse the stain, but to complete a holistic process would require the leather to be rejuvenated with Hydrator-3.3 > Fatliquor-5.0 system to soften and strengthen the leather and Protector-D as a non-stick, rub-resistant protector with surface healing properties for surface scuffing.


    >>> Are these products the right ones for these stains? I do not know what is the cause of the stains.


    The stain from picture #3 could possibly be from oil or grease based stain, it could also be from an alkaline-based solution and Degreaser-2.2 > Acidifier-2.0 would be the most logical solution for the problem.

    Picture # 2 could possibly be protein related stains like milk or other foodstuff, if so would require d’Protein-10 > Acidifier-2.0 >Hydrator-3.3 > Fatliquor-5.0 > Protector-D system. This would also depends on the result from Degreaser-2.2 > Acidifier-2.0 attempt to it to see how it response.


    >>> Also I have other bags, how can I protect them from stains?

    There are two areas of protection, from the leather structure itself and from the surface. When absorbent leathers like vachetta is fully saturated with Fatliquor-5.0 (fat, oil and water) it becomes less absorbent, besides with softness and strength and not to worry about cracking. Surface protection is to impart a non-stick, rub-resistant surface that also does healing repairs to surfaces scuffing.


    Roger Koh
    Leather Care Consultant
    www.LeatherDoctor.com


    Products information:


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    Leather Doctor Kit V5.dr – Vachetta Leather Degreaser Kit
    Leather Doctor® Kit V5.dr, vachetta, saddlery and veg-tan leather degreaser kit is an innovative leather-safe degreasing system for removing grease and sweat contamination. When sweat accumulates and ages it shift alkaline, besides the apparent darkening effect it will also impart a sticky feel to the leather. Leather is composed of protein fiber with other leather constituents like the tanning agents and the fatliquor. The tanning agent preserves the leather while the fatliquor softens it. The protein fiber is amphoteric while the other component is non-amphoteric. They come together by hydrogen bonding. When the pH of the leather rises due to the sweat, the protein fiber begins to shift ionic negative and breaks bond with the ionic negative tanning agent and the fatliquor. The protein fiber loosing the ionic attraction from the tannin agent denatures and revert the leather to rawhide as experience with tackiness or stickiness in extreme cases. The stiffness of the leather is due to the loss of the fatliquor that lubricates the fibers thus the fiber becomes stick together and when flex cracks. The darkening effect is partially contributes by high pH exposure, as alkaline darkens and acidity lightens the appearance of leather. To rectify the compound problem the grease and sweat contamination is remove. The protein fiber is degreased and recharged ionic positive below its iso-electric point (pI) by using Degreaser-2.2 follows by Acidifier-2.0. This combination degreasing and rinsing process should improve the darkening effect while reversing the leather to a healthy squeaky feel. Hydrator-3.3 helps rectify alkaline overexposure areas by facilitating colloidal water movement to redistribute the leather constituents from surrounding areas, while purging foreign contamination to resurface and charging the protein fiber below its iso-electric point (pI) ionic positive to hydrogen bond with the ionic negative fatliquor more effectively. Fat and oil is replenished with Fatliquor-5.0 to return the leather for softness and suppleness when dry. Protector-D heals and conceals scuff and abrasion marks; imparts a rub resistant draggy-feel against friction rubs and shield against sticky soiling while prolonging the appearance of the leather longer. Note that the mentioned products suffix numbers denotes its pH value for a safer degreasing approach to pH sensitive leather. Leather is an amphoteric material and shifting of it pH value obliviously causes the leather to darkens, denature and reverts to rawhide.

    Instruction:

    Degreasing:
    It is important to note that Degreaser-2.2 need to be shaken to gel prior to use by a repeat shake and pause rhythm.
    1. Apply and agitate to saturate the contamination with the horsehair detailing brush for penetration and Eraser-4 for surface removal.
    2. Terry towel extract emulsified and suspended soiling until it shows clean.
    3. Spray Acidifier-2.0 to saturate, agitate and towel extract until it shows clean.
    4. Let naturally dry for soiling particulates to resurface.
    5. Erase wick up soiling particulates with Eraser-4 and inspect with either repeating degreasing process or proceed to hydrating.

    Hydrating:
    1. Spray Hydrator-3.3, saturating the thickness of the leather to an optimum level with moistures oozing out when gently pressed between thumb and fingers.
    2. Cover up with plastic wrapping to control evaporation and let it dwell up to 72 hours for effective colloidal movement to take place both redistributing leather constituent from surrounding area while purging foreign soiling particulates to resurface.
    3. Remove plastic wrapping, replace with tissue paper without airspace to trap stains as it dries instead of remaining on the surface.
    4. Peel tissue paper when crispy dry and erase with Eraser-4 prior to fatliquoring.

    Fat and Oil Replenishing:
    1. Spray Fatliquor-5.0 and redistribute the entire section evenly with foam brush until fully saturated.
    2. Repeat reapplication when water content evaporates until fully saturated.
    3. Let natural dry for extra softness and wick up soiling particulates is erases with Eraser-4 when crispy dry.

    Rub-Resistant Protection:
    1. Mist sprays Protector-D foam brush or paper towel redistribute it and is ready for use when dry.

    Kit Content and Product Description:

    Leather Doctor® Degreaser-2.2 (120ml)
    Degreaser-2.2 is a waterbased pH 2.2 high viscosity formulated leather degreaser. It is for degreasing leather of penetrated oil, grease and sweat stains from skin and hair contact. Emulsified contamination is rinse with Rinse-3.0 to a squeaky-feel. It is important to note that Degreaser-2.2 need to be shaken to gel prior to use by a repeat shake and pause rhythm.

    Leather Doctor® Acidifier-2.0 (250ml)
    Acidifier-2.0 is a waterbased pH 2.0 leather acidifier to pH balance alkaline overexposure and returning the leather to a healthy squeaky-feel. It is to strengthen the ionic bond between the tanning agent and the leather protein fiber from denaturing and reverting to rawhide.

    Leather Doctor® Hydrator-3.3 (250ml)
    Hydrator-3.3 is a waterbased pH 3.3 leather-safe hydrator. It is a fatliquor preconditioner with multi functional abilities. Surface application is primary to check for even surface tension free of blotchiness prior to fatliquor replenishing. Structural application will require saturating to an optimum level with moisture oozing out when gently pressed between thumb and fingers. The multi functional abilities include: a) to check for surface tension for an even appearance free from blotchiness prior to fatliquor replenishing. b) To plumps, relaxes and separates crushed, shrunk and stick together fibrils for manipulating away-unwanted creases and wrinkles. c) To rectify alkaline overexposure areas by facilitating colloidal water movement to redistribute the leather constituents from surrounding areas. d) To activate the dormant dyestuff within the leather structure for color refreshing. e) To facilitates colloidal water movement within the inter-fibrillary spaces for wicking foreign soiling particulates to resurface. f) To stabilize, pH balance and charge the protein fiber below its iso-electric point (pI) ionic positive to hydrogen bond with the ionic negative fatliquor more effectively. This universal Hydrator-3.3 is for all leather types including pigmented, aniline, vachetta, nubuck, suede, hair-on-hide and woolskin.

    Leather Doctor® Fatliquor-5.0 (250ml)
    Fatliquor-5.0, a micro emulsion of fat, oil and water is an anionic charged pH 5.0 fatliquor for rejuvenating all leather types. It relaxes coarse breaks, creases and wrinkles enhance suppleness and prevent cracking. It softens the leather with stretchability, compressibility and flexibility, while enhancing its rip tensile strength greatly. It is for replenishing the original fat and oil that diminishes thru sun-bleaching, ageing, heat and alkaline overexposure or cleaning. On application, the water-encased molecule breaks free when hydrogen bond attraction takes place between the fat and oil with the protein fiber. The excess free water content wicks out leaving a breathing space behind for leather natural transpiration. The fat plumps the leather with fullness from easily collapsing into creases and wrinkles during stress or flex, while the oil lubricates the fibers so that they slide over one another smoothly like millions of inter-connecting hinges. Thus helps to keep leather at its optimum physical performance and prevent premature ageing. This universal Fatliquor-5.0 is for all leather types including pigmented, aniline, vachetta, nubuck, suede, hair- on-hide and woolskin.

    Leather Doctor® Protector-D (120ml)
    Protector-D is a non-film forming, non-stick rub-resistant protector that enhances a draggy-feel. It imparts a non-stick breathable barrier essentially to shield the detrimental effects of sticky soiling. Its natural draggy-feel protection increases the leather resistance to wet and dry rubs, thus reduce stretch, scuff and abrasion. It is as a scuff repairer, filling and concealing surface scuffs to improve appearance. The drag produces an unforgettable familiar sound sweet to the ears when leather is rubbed.

    Leather Brush-1 (1pc)
    Leather Brush-1 is a horsehair detailing brush design ergonomically to be an extension of our hand with a sturdy grooved grip. It is design to produce effective result easily and efficiently. It is recommend for all smooth leather for a soft and scratch-free cleaning. Its length is 7 inches with a three-row bristle 1˝ inches cleaning head.

    3 inch Poly-Brush (1 pc)
    Poly Brush is a dense foam that resists tearing and shredding and carries more material. It has a solid wood handle that allows greater control for quality results. It is for controlling and spreading fatliquor for a more even distribution.

    Paper Towel Rags (5 pc)
    This rag works like cloth, lint free, highly absorbent and washable. General application is for extracting suspended soiling or for spreading hydrator, fatliquor or protector. It is for both dye and topcoat padding for smooth leathers.


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    Leather Doctor Kit V5.ps – Vachetta Leather Protein Remover Kit
    Leather Doctor® Kit V5.ps, unfinished leather protein based stain removal kit is designed to remove protein based stains that tends to coagulated. d’Protein-10 is developed to deflocculates coagulating protein stains such as blood, body-discharge, milk, cream, ice cream, egg, meat juices, vomit, perspiration, urine and other protein based stains. Moreover, any staining that comes from a living animal or person will probably need this product in the removing process. Acidifier-2.0 is a leather pH stabilizer that is used to rinse and neutralize to its desired neutral pH of 3 - 5 simultaneously and ensures that the leather retain its healthy squeaky feel with a wet finger testing. Hydrator-3.3 relaxes stiff leather and reduces surface tension prior to fat and oil replenishing. Fatliquor-5.0 replenishing rejuvenates the leather structure for softness and suppleness when dry. Protector-D imparts a rub resistant draggy-feel against friction rubs and shield against sticky soiling while prolonging the appearance of the leather longer. Note that the mentioned products suffix numbers denotes its pH value in this holistic approach to removing protein based stains from auto-perforated leathers.

    Instruction

    Stain Removal
    1. Surface deposit are brushed away using the horsehair Brush-1.
    2. Spray d’Protein-10 agitate with horsehair Brush-1 and towel extract until towel shows clean.
    2. Spray again to remaining stain agitates with horsehair Brush-1, let dwell 10 to 30 minutes and towel extract until towel shows clean.
    3. Spray Acidifier-2.0 to rinse and pH balance follows with towel extract until towel shows clean.


    Leather Doctor® d’Protein-10 (250ml)
    This is a waterbased pH 10 leather protein stain remover. It is for removing blood, body-discharge, milk, cream, ice-cream, egg, meat juices, vomit, perspiration, urine and other protein based stains. In addition, any staining that comes from a living animal or person will probably need this product in the removing process.

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    Thank you so much! I am looking forward to trying the products ...I will let you know :-) I am keeping my fingers crossed ...

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