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Nubuck sofa 7 years old very faded, and soiled. can this becleaned and restored without dye?
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Roger I originally quoted her to clean and dye this sofa and turnit into aniline, she has several children and pets, I thought you would have an opinion.
My understanding is that I could clean it, apply aniline dye and not buff it, and it would be easier for her to maintain. Or do you think i should try to clean it and add fat liquor to bring back the original finish?
Either way i need to know what you think i will need to completely takle this job. If you need a color swatch for dyematch I have a sample.
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I'm interested in your answer here also, as I run into this from time to time. Do not like to completely re-dye something unnecessarily.
Let us know your experience with nubuck and why you would rather revert back to aniline?
These would be my recommendation to retain its original “Nubuck” (less work, with less technical problem - like patchiness, surface smoothness and needs lots of sanding).
Spotting with appropriate specialty spotters as there is a handful if you see the product list.
The basic spotter for all oil and grease is d’Oil4.4™ (leather safe pH 3-5).
I would use d’Oil4.4™ in conjunction with d'Grease4.9™ for prep cleaning follows by clean3.8™ and rinse3.0™.
Tools appropriate would be nubuckBrush2™ and nubuckEraser5™.
The purpose of this eraser is to bring up all the nap and exfoliate old surface nap to give way for new.
Rehydrate is for two purposes:
1. Bring up the dyes from the structure to the surface.
2. Reduce surface tension for fast and even distribution of fatliquor throughout the leather structure for an even appearance, beside softness and strength when nubuck dries.
If you have spray soak the entire structure especially with relaxer3.3™ and fatliquor5.0™ with prior continuous working with both the above brush and eraser by now all grease and oil stain should disappear (d’Grease4.9™ milder than d’Oil4.4™ may be more convenience to feather out rings residues if any).
Now soak it further with rinse3.0™ and check for blotchiness (presence of grease - redo a must).
Wrap up the entire sofa with a see through plastic sheet overnight for dye stuff within the structure to redistribute itself to the surface (allows dipole water movement).
Next day remove the plastic sheet and leave for slow natural drying (allows wicking process to bring suspended particulate to the surface).
Next day either put it either in a dehumidifier room or under the sun.
A very dark film of soil will resurface to the surface.
These are the old soils that have penetrated and now spew to the surface.
It is time to perform your magical task (ask someone to standby with a camera or a video).
Make sure that the nubuck is crispy dry!
Use your nubuckEraser5™ and work on the darkest area.
The result will definite make you smile!
Not only the nubuck nap returns to original but the color revives too.
To go one step further recolor with nubuckColor94™ and fix with nubuckFix99™.
Why I say “recolor” instead of “redye”.
Nubuck is aniline dye through with a micropigment color-on.
That gives the more even coverage than a dye can achieve without the problem of “bleeding”.
Well, what do you think?
Is this simple enough or you would still prefer to revert back to “aniline”.
If so are you using a “dye-thru” or a “dye-on” dye?
Roger Koh
LeatherDoctor® System
sounds fine to me on this project, because the client is dropping it off. Is there a way to achieve same result without wrapping it overnight? or I guess i have to pick up projects like this or make several trips and charge for it.
What do you normallycharge for a project like this? And what are your pick up and delivery charges? How many manhours are involved, so i can figure out what i would need to charge? Total cost of supplies?
Is there a way to achieve same result without wrapping it overnight?
Do you understand the reasons for this purpose?
What do you normallycharge for a project like this?
For an average 7foot sofa that’s how I price to sell!
Prep Clean (d’Oil4.4™, d’Grease4.9™, etc.) =$280
Clean (clean3.8™ & rinse3.0™) =$280
Rehydration (relaxer3.3™) =$280
Fatliquoring (fatliquor5.0™) =$280
Re-Coloring (nubuckColor94™) =$560
Color Fixing (nubuckFix99™) =$280
Non-Stick Feel Conditioning (leatherScent’S™) =$90
It is important to explain so as to educate the customers to bring value to your services.
And what are your pick up and delivery charges?
Self drop off and pick (otherwise recommend them a few movers that you know is reliable).
How many manhours are involved, so i can figure out what i would need to charge? Total cost of supplies?
These are subjective depending on the severity of soiling and skill level, you have to try it out on your end!
Roger Koh
LeatherDoctor® System
Roger, What quantity of each supply would I need to work on that sofa?
I understand for full restoration that the sofa would need to wrapped overnight, however; what do you recommend to clean and maintain the sofa on an annual basis?
Roger, What quantity of each supply would I need to work on that sofa?
d’Oil4.4™ = as necessary
d’Grease4.9™ = ~ a quart
clean3.8™ = ~ 1 - 2 quart
rinse3.0™ = ~ 1 - 3 quart
relaxer3.3™ = ~ 1 - 2 quart (by this stage the entire leather structure should be fully rehydrated, and extract moist for fatliquoring)
fatliquor5.0™ = ~ 1 - 2 quart
nubuckColor94™ = ~ 250 - 500ml
nubuckFix99™ = ~ 250ml
leatherScent’S™ = ~ 125ml
It depends on the severity of soiling, the dryness of the leather and so forth.
I can’t give you an exact amount of products to use to deliver a satisfactory job.
I am very liberal on the product usage; you may be very surprise the total product cost against the prices quoted.
what do you recommend to clean and maintain the sofa on an annual basis?
Periodic Cleaning - 12 to 24 months (depends)
preClean4.3™: as a precondition on soil areas.
clean3.8™: for general cleaning
rinse3.0™: for acidifying rinse - strengthening the pH integrity of leather chemistry constituents including the dyestuffs.
fatliquoring™: for maintaining leather softness and eliminating coarse breaks and maintain color deep saturation.
leatherScent’S™: as a non-stick, silky feel surface conditioner with the classic leather scent.
Roger Koh
LeatherDoctor® System
Roger, how do I oder the products, and is the color a custom color, or do you have a chart? I don't have your email, and do you have a web sight?
Please check email for price list.
These are the 15 standard colors for nubuckColor94™:
Black-12
Blue-40
ThaloBlue-09
MarineBlue-46
Green-71
Lemon-26
Yellow-35
Ochre-84
QuinRed-41
ChromRed-17
DiazoRed-54
Violet-10
Maroon-02
Tan-86
White 05.
Man that's a lot of chemical for one couch!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Koh
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Originally Posted by jayjacque
Is an estimated 15% material cost too high for a refinishing job?
What do you think?
Roger Koh
LeatherDoctor® System
Roger, please send me all the products I will need to restore the Nubuck sofa, it is was a navy blue. Call me for a credit card #. Chet
Chet,
Check your emails, please!
Roger Koh
is going to be over 25% of the restoration cost.
d’Oil4.4™ = as necessary 1- 7ml dropper bottle 5.95
d’Grease4.9™ = ~ a quart 1- 60ml conc. Makes 1260ml 53.15
clean3.8™ = ~ 1 - 2 quart 1-60ml conc. Makes 3840 ml 69.80
rinse3.0™ = ~ 1 - 3 quart 1-60ml conc. Makes 4800ml 77.25
relaxer3.3™ = ~ 1 - 2 quart (by this stage the entire leather structure should be fully rehydrated, and extract moist for fatliquoring)
1—60ml conc. Makes 1500ml 34.85
fatliquor5.0™ = ~ 1 - 2 quart 1-250ml conc.Makes 1250ml 55.95
nubuckColor94™ = ~ 250 - 500ml 1-960 ml blue40? 54.95
1-60ml black 12 17.95
1-60ml Thalo blue -09 17.95
1-60ml Marine Blue-46 17.95
nubuckFix99™ = ~ 250ml 1-250mml 29.95
leatherScent’S™ = ~ 125ml 1-250ml conc. Makes 2375ml 97.70
Nubuck brush 1- 4.95
Nubuck eraser 4- 19.80
Roger could you give me your direct email, when i tried to email you back yesterday it failed. So i copied my reply and posted it here, but now it looks mixed up.
Hi Chet, just back from the Connections Trade Show.
I have met up with Matt your GM.
Roger Koh
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The sofa after restoration cleaning and redyeing. Looks very good, not perfect. The color could have been darker, I think I would have used much less dye, and many fewer coats if I started with a darker dye? I spent 5 hours applying the dye and repeated the application at least 15 times.
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Yes and matching the color right would have save you half the time with less material too (less is beautiful - more natural aesthetically with a softer feel).
We learn as we go, an alternative that may produce better result will be first dye with nubuckDye23™ (softer feel) to even out the color difference than follows by nubuckColor94™ (UV stronger) to blend the color in.
Please show us more pictures of every step and especially before you spray the nubuck color on, like to see how you have carried out the instructions.
Look forward to your pictures!
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System
Roger I didn't take pictures of the steps on this one, I will take pictures on the protected sofa as i complete them.