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pristine
09-22-2008, 09:26 AM
I am forwarding pictures a client emailed me. Let me know what you suggest for procedure and price.

Roger Koh
09-22-2008, 10:55 AM
There are various methods of paint removal.

1. d’Marker10.5™ is a direct attempt to the paint stain with a cotton swab.

2. d’Ink7.7™ a slower process that requires dwell time.

3. By physical stretching the leather it will cause the rigid paint to ripples detached from the leather.

4. For absorbent leathers, after rehydrating with relaxer3.3™ and softening with fatliquor5.0™ cause the leather to be more stretchy against the rigid paint easier than just by dry stretching.

Personally I prefer method #4, clean and neat without messing the finish.

Anyway, let’s see the detail picture and see which method fit best!

Roger Koh
LeatherDoctor® System

pristine
09-23-2008, 03:04 PM
http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Pristine_Leather/TarynsMural013.jpg
I think it only loaded one of the 3 pictures:confused:

Roger Koh
09-23-2008, 06:20 PM
Have you tried any of the above suggestion?

As for the picture posting, It shouldn't be a problem by now.

Just try it again for the other two!

Roger Koh

pristine
09-25-2008, 11:45 AM
I was waiting to hear from you which method would be best and an idea of what to charge.http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Pristine_Leather/TarynsMural014.jpg

pristine
09-25-2008, 11:46 AM
http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq54/Pristine_Leather/TarynsMural015.jpg

jayjacque
09-26-2008, 06:09 AM
That's one royal mess. Roger's the expert, but if it were me, I'd sand, prep, and recolor.

Leatherestore
09-27-2008, 06:14 AM
I would agree from the standpoint of time and cost but add one item. Roger will probably cringe. If this is oil base we will wipe with lacquer thinner to remove the 'bumps' (OMS or thinner or spirits - test a spot to see what moves it). If it is Latex then either Goof Off or Afta type works great. A light scuff is all that is required since you know you will have to redye. This takes about an hour to complete. Mix the dye and reshoot, another couple of hours depending if you mix topcoat with color on the last shot or not. Since trying a bunch of the products I have not has the opportunity to insert the relaxer prior to a redye so Roger is that an option? Condition and deliver. We have done several of these prior to joining the forum and will happily post pix on the next one. So about a 4 hour job for us and a good looking chair, not over the top on pricing.

jayjacque
09-27-2008, 07:00 AM
Roger's slow to answer this one, must be stumped! j/k

I agree only a light scuff unless of course the paint is lumped. And the hardware on the face of the arms needs a thorough cleaning. I got a feeling this customer will appreciate any and all improvement and probably not too picky, since they didn't bother to cover during painting their house.

Roger Koh
09-27-2008, 08:26 PM
That's one royal mess. Roger's the expert, but if it were me, I'd sand, prep, and recolor.

We understand about sanding, but why use in this particular situation.

This is an aniline leather type see picture #3, sanding somehow will hurt the grains and will cause uneven dye absorption thus patchy appearance.

How would you prep?

For a fast work leatherstore preferred solvent may be the only solution to cut down time without hurting the grain might be a wise decision.

And for recolor, here the better term to use should be re-dye.

For term usage, Recolor refers to opaque pigment color and redye refers to transparent dye.

would agree from the standpoint of time and cost but add one item. Roger will probably cringe. If this is oil base we will wipe with lacquer thinner to remove the 'bumps' (OMS or thinner or spirits - test a spot to see what moves it). If it is Latex then either Goof Off or Afta type works great.

Using solvent for the paint is better than using sandpaper.

As long as we do intend to re-fatliquor solvent usage is just fine for this situation.

A light scuff is all that is required since you know you will have to redye.

I would avoid using sandpaper (as the hurting of the grains will end up in more problem especially the need to redye) instead use the anilineEraser4™ for scrubbing the paint.

This takes about an hour to complete. Mix the dye and reshoot, another couple of hours depending if you mix topcoat with color on the last shot or not. Since trying a bunch of the products I have not has the opportunity to insert the relaxer prior to a redye so Roger is that an option?

relaxer3.3™ is a practical option (check this out with Pristine) prior to fatliquoring eliminates the need to redye as the dyes are brought to the surface and tone intensified by the fatlioquor5.0™ (This produce a much more natural appearance than putting on unnecessary new dyes).

Condition and deliver. We have done several of these prior to joining the forum and will happily post pix on the next one. So about a 4 hour job for us and a good looking chair, not over the top on pricing.

I rather deliver the "WOW" factor that brings more value to our service with a bigger price tag (the more a customer pays the lesser the complaint or dissatisfaction makes a happier customer).

Roger's slow to answer this one, must be stumped! j/k

Apologies for the slow response as I am just back from the 3 days trade shows in La Vegas.

I was waiting to hear from you which method would be best and an idea of what to charge.

Taking into consideration besides the paint removal, there is the color fading factor and the coarse breaks that can be attended to at the same time.

If then it is a comprehensive restoration than I would propose that we treat this holistically!

Prices to charge depend on customer’s expectation and the willingness to reinvest into this piece.

Can we deliver without a trace of the paint, restore the sun-fading and remove all the coarse breaks making it look not only new, feels buttery and impart a leather scent.

I believe we can, we are talking a minimum of 2K.

If the customer agrees to this estimate I shall go through the details with you.

We shall only perform a section of this upholstery probably at the top of the back cushion for a confirmation of our pricing.

What do you think?

Roger Koh
LeatherDoctor® System

Roger Koh
09-27-2008, 09:26 PM
#1 Before - Paint Damage
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/0262.jpg
#2 Before - Paint Damage
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/0234.jpg

#1 After - Refinishing to Match Original
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/089.jpg
#2 After - Refinishing to Match Original
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/0902.jpg

And here is the testimony!

Hello Roger , My testamonial.....

My son was repsitioning a paint tray and spilled the yellow latex out of the corner ,about half a litre...

It landed on the last cushion and arm rest ,pouring down the side to the floor,

I had watewr and a few towels in 2 minutes and wipped all paint off in about 10 minutes .

We were left with the outline of the spill since it had disolved the surface coatings of the leather.

The customer and I checked yellow pages and the only capable responce was yours.

One response was from a franchise but they only did car repairs, couch was too big.

You came across as very expierienced in just this sort of work .

Your brochure says it all .

Total restoration of furniture.

What made my situation more difficult was not satisfying me but the customer, and matching the twin couch at the home.

Your work is like an art form and you need to be left with the job to get best results.

Your probaly the only one in town who could handle this problem, after finding the right recipe to complete the finish you were able to complete the project.

Only when I put it back with the customer did we know for sure and it was accepted, that was the true acid test , and you succeeded.

A job well done , Roger, your a true LEATHER DOCTOR...!

I will be able to retain her as a customer for future painting if needed.

...Again thanks for your valued work and will reffer you whenever possible.

Have a good day , John.

pristine
09-30-2008, 07:45 AM
Thanks all for the responses to this job. Don't give Roger too hard a time he's been away at a conference. I like the suggestion of redye since this one needed it before the paint accident. I'll wait to see if Roger has some tips, I'm always learning.

Roger Koh
09-30-2008, 09:05 AM
The leather structure needs to be restored from those entire coarse breaks and as you do so; the bonus is that it will also bring out the dye to the surface.

Therefore refinishing after bringing the dyestuff out using less color material helps produce a more natural result.

Remember, this is aniline leather, so no covering up jobs.

You will be using “transparent” dyestuff, so 100% paint removal (without using sandpaper) is mandatory.

These pictures show how coarse breaks, crease and wrinkles are rejuvenated (even on pigmented leathers).



#1: Prep Cleaning with d’Ink7.7™ & leatherBrush1™ - see the deep crease, coarse breaks and wrinkles!
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/3-4.jpg



#2: Fatliquor with fatliquor5.0™ - see the coarse break still there!
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/4-4.jpg



#3: Wrapped up for leather structure soaking.
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/4A.jpg



#4: Result after hot-kiss-plating™ - see the difference from picture #1, leather structure rejuvenated without the coarse breaks, creases or wrinkles!
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/7-1.jpg

Do you think this rejuvenating of leather structure process is a technological breakthrough?

Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System

Pioneer
09-30-2008, 08:09 PM
what is hot-kiss plating?

Roger Koh
10-01-2008, 09:02 AM
Leather Ironing after Fatliquoring!

pristine
10-01-2008, 03:37 PM
I am almost positive the client won't go for 2k. I am sure he paid about that for it new.

Roger Koh
10-01-2008, 04:15 PM
In leather work "expensive can be cheap in the long run".

It depends how you educate your customer.

How would you charge then?

pristine
10-02-2008, 01:01 PM
Two thousand is great to me but, I talked to the client and he would rather replace it since he paid less than that for it new. Thanks for your help...I know there will be more.:)

Roger Koh
10-02-2008, 01:31 PM
Was this a wise decision to stick to your price and loose a job?

Do you think that this customer will get back to you for future jobs?

Do you think that this customer would refer you when asked about leather service provider?