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dorrj
11-16-2012, 07:58 AM
Roger I have 4 different leather pieces that need some level of attention and I was hoping I could buy supplies and get a few recommendations? I'm a new member so I wanted to confirm that I can post pictures (embedded html via photobucket?) these are descriptions of my problems

Sadly I tried using a leather dye kit on my couch without coming upon your website first. Can I send you a few pictures of this couch (bradington young) and get some suggestions? I followed the directions (leather magic) but in doing so on the seat cushions I lost the 2 tone (kela?) effect of the leather. And the spray-on dye has very little depth. So I refused to spray the rest of my couch that way and tried a different option. On one of the arms I used Kiwi Cordovan shoe polish... and although It looks nicer I think its drying the leather out. So again I tried something else, on the back cusions I just dabbed the dye into the cusion and rubbed the excess off which looks best but the cusion looks dull in places since the couch had a slightly protective coating which was shiny in some places. So I think I need something to shine up the newly dyed areas, something to rehydrate the shoe polished areas? and something to maybe start over on the seat cushions that have been sprayed?



I also have a hancock and moore protected leather wingback chair that has some major lotion/grease stains (hence the degreaser) I haven't started anything on this one thankfully

I also have a Sherrill Leather chair which the sun has faded and it has the waxy feel that also shows nail marks if you drag your nail along it (leather scent-B) also has a stain on the seat that I think is blood


Finally i have a barcalounger that may be beyond repair but I'd like to get your advice on. Do you mind if I take pictures and upload via photobucket?

Roger Koh
11-16-2012, 03:04 PM
Welcome to the forum dorrj,

Post each of your problem as separate threads, higer resolution pictures preferred to see the problem clearer.

Wiating for you posting.

Roger

dorrj
11-17-2012, 01:31 PM
ok here is the one I'd like to know first. Its a navy wingback by Hancock and Moore. The head area and arms have almost a stain/oil marks from lotion and are a little harder than the rest of the leather. Is this salvageable or should I just have the leather on the head area replaced and try to touch up the arms since the affected places are smaller on the arms? thanks!
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/dorrj/HM%20wingback/DSC_0038.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/dorrj/HM%20wingback/DSC_0037.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/dorrj/HM%20wingback/DSC_0036.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/dorrj/HM%20wingback/DSC_0035.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/dorrj/HM%20wingback/DSC_0034.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/dorrj/HM%20wingback/DSC_0033.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/dorrj/HM%20wingback/DSC_0032.jpg
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/dorrj/HM%20wingback/DSC_0031.jpg

Roger Koh
11-19-2012, 01:14 PM
All the lighter blue areas looks that they are worn of its “topcoat”.

Will require a little test using a cotton swab to applied to isolated areas to see how it response.

Otherwise, a redyeing may be an option.

If the finish is restored, then the actual restoration may take this route.


1] Degreasing
Degreaser-2.2 > Rinse-3.0

2] Leather Rejuvenating
Hydrator-3.3 > Fatliquor-5.0

3] Color Redyeing
Matching Color Aniline Dye-76

4] Topcoat
Topcoat-79G

5] Rub-Resistant Protection
Protection-B+

Roger Koh
11-19-2012, 01:17 PM
Here is the problem solving guide that matches the leather type. . .



http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/A.jpg
Leather-Safe Problem Solving Guide (A) – Aniline Leathers

Roger Koh
11-19-2012, 01:19 PM
Products necessary may be found in this kit.. .


http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/Leather%20Doctor%20products/KitA6dr-1.jpg
Leather DoctorŽ Kit A6.dr = Aniline Leather Care + pH Balance + Degreaser + Dyestuff + Topcoat

dorrj
11-19-2012, 01:39 PM
What test with a cotton swab would I do? rubbing alcohol or some other home product? Im hoping the lighter lotion can be pulled off the topcoat. There are a few other small (less than a dime size) places where the topcoat has been peeled off or worn off. Its liek the top protected/pigmented coat is painted on the chair. If that is the case is the discoloration here an actual chemical reaction with medical grade lotion? thanks!

Roger Koh
11-19-2012, 01:46 PM
The test is with application of "Topcoat-79G" using a cotton swab.

Probably it is the topcoat that has been rubbed off.


Question

Is surrounding areas of color loss feel sticky in anyway?

dorrj
11-19-2012, 07:08 PM
the large area on the headrest feels like clay and is almost like a thick uniform slab. The thickening starts almost an inch from where the discoloration begins. all the other leather is very flexible on the headrest and doesn't feel like clay. Im not convinced the topcoat has rubbed off more than almost chemically bonded with the lotion.. is this possible? If so it the leather underneath salvageable?

Roger Koh
11-19-2012, 07:46 PM
May I know what lotion are are talking about that becomes chemically bonded?

The "clay like" feel on headrest typically is caused by leaching of fatliquor.

In this case the surface looks clean of any grease. . . what is your explanation.

And are all lighter blue areas feels like stiffness of clay too?


Please test with water if the lighter areas and the normal areas have the same water absorbency rate.

The finish looks aniline, this simple absorbency test is to determine if its semi-aniline (micro-pigmented) instead.

A little solvent on a cotton swab testing on hidden area may confirm if it is pigmented with crumple pigmented residue, as well.

dorrj
11-20-2012, 03:28 AM
Sorry, I don't know the slightest thing about leather I was trying to describe how it feels against my hands. I decided to try the solvent. I used odorless mineral spirits on a q-tip in an area thats not visible (back side of top cusion) after a minute and including rubbing there was no crumple pigmented residue. I tried moving the mostly dry qtip on the lightened area and I did get some pigment on the q-tip. I also took the cushion out and took a picture of the back side of the leather. The whole area that is light on the headreast feels like clay. Here is the pic of the back side of the headrest

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/dorrj/HM%20wingback/IMAG0090.jpg
it has this residue that I can scrape away with my fingernails and some of it was powdered/crystaline and just fell off the back as I took the cushion out in small salt sized crystals that could be squished like lip balm almost (Bert's Bees)
so the topcoat can't chemically interact with lotion? I thought since the lotion was what was the problem that the lotion must be chemically interacting with the topcoat. like dissolving it or something.
I hope this may have helped clear any confusion about how I was trying to describe the lightened area. So should I buy the above mentioned kit A6.dr ?
thanks for your swift reply!!!

will buying and using the above mentioned kit

Roger Koh
11-20-2012, 09:10 AM
I used odorless mineral spirits on a q-tip in an area thats not visible (back side of top cusion) after a minute and including rubbing there was no crumple pigmented residue.

(To confirm, are you describing testing on the suede side on the above?)

I tried moving the mostly dry qtip on the lightened area and I did get some pigment on the q-tip.

(Is this lightened area still on the suede side?)


To remove these crystals you will need a suede brush and a suede eraser as seen in this suede kit.


http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/S3.jpg
Leather DoctorŽ Suede Leather Care Kit S3


Anyway we still have not confirm if the smooth leather is aniline type or semi-aniline (micro-pigmented) type

Your testing has to be done on the "smooth" side of leather - show pictures of your testing - The cotton swab need to be saturated to do the test more effectively.

dorrj
11-20-2012, 09:48 AM
sorry for the confusion. Both q-tip tests were on the SMOOTH leather. The solvent test was in an inconspicuous area hidden from view by the top cusion-the swab was saturated. When I rubbed the lighter colored area this was also on the outter smooth side of the leather (the final picture in posting #3) The the q-tip still had some solvent and it picked up some color. I didnt touch the inside suede leather other than get a fingernail full of what feels like the clay/lip balm. I was planning on waiting to hear from you before I do anything drastic (I'm also at work) - I think the degreaser on the suede side and the outside would probably be a good start no?

Roger Koh
11-20-2012, 12:20 PM
Tell us more of this "lotion" you talk about (The head area and arms have almost a stain/oil marks from lotion).

1] What lotion?

2] Why was it there?

3] Are others lighter areas caused by lotion as well?

If you can access to the suede side, its preferable to remove from there to reduce surfaces damages if possible.

Yes Degreaser-2.2 > Rinse-3.0 removes unwanted foreign residue.

Hydrator-3.3 > Fatliquor-5.0 returns the leather to original suppleness with strength

dorrj
11-20-2012, 01:00 PM
I wish I knew more but I bought this chair on craigslist. At $60. I thought it was a steal and since I like to tinker I figured I would give restoring the chair a try. The person used it as a chair to sleep in. They were older and had to put some special lotion on as their skin was very dry. (daughter sold chair to me as her father had died)

So can I buy the degreaser 2.2, rinse 3.0, hydrator 3.3 and fatliqour 5.0? can I also buy the wax effect 2.8 and and Aniline Wax Pull-up Leather - Blood Stain Removal Kit AW3.bs (these are for the other chair that has sun fading and blood stains) - will I have enough degreaser, rinse, hydrator, and fatliqour to work on the 2 chairs? (this one and the sunfaded one?)- thanks again for the swift replies!