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    Default Chanel Boy calfskin has folding marks

    Hello there,

    I recently acquired an used Chanel Boy bag old medium in calfskin and as I was using it I noticed some crease/indent on the bag where the flap folds and open. Is there a way to make that crease go away?
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    >>> I noticed some crease/indent on the bag where the flap folds and open. Is there a way to make that crease go away?

    The creases develop as the leather is dried of its fatliquor (ionic negative charged fat and oil), becomes stiff and the interlocking fibrils that acts like millions of hinges fails to flex over one another smoothly. The rows that over works stress out becomes weaker while the surrounding remains stiff that result in the creases and indents. Further working on these creases will develop into tears or cracks. Imagine a bundle of rubber bands that have different tension and different dimension. The task is to balance up or equalize this bundle of rubber bands to that they work equally and sharing the same load. When this is achieved, creases and indents will be reduced. Note that soft leathers have the abilities to stretched up to 60% without breaking when well lubricated with fatliquor, cases of creases and indents develops with unequal percentage of stretched is the problem.

    The solution is to rejuvenate the leather structure by replenishing its fat and oil with Fatliquor-5.0 to its original average 14% of fat and oil content when dry. But first the overstretch fibrils need to be relaxed to return to its original pre-stretched condition with the help of Hydrator-3.3. However, accumulated soiling will need first to be removed with Prep-4.4 > Clean-3.8 > Rinse-3.0 system. If topcoat (AnilineTop-76) refinishing is desired to restore its gloss then the leather should be free of body oil, grease and sweat, otherwise the topcoat may not adhere evenly, thus patchy appearance due to poor topcoat adhesion. Protector-B/B+ is the final application to impart a buttery-feel that also reduces wears to the finishing.

    So a holistic approach to restore to a decent level would involve these sequences of steps . . .

    Step 1 - Degreasing to remove body oil, grease and sweat with Degreaser-2.2 > Acidifier-2.0 system.
    Step 2 - Hydrating with Hydrator-3.3 to relax and stretch out the creases / indents and reactivate dormant dyestuff to refresh fading.
    Step 3 - Replenishing or top-up with Fatliquor-5.0 to the original average of 14% fat and oil content when dry.
    Step 4 - Top coating refinishing with AnilineTop-76G to restore original gloss.
    Step 5 - Rub-resistant, buttery-feel to reduce wear with Protector-B/B+

    Any questions you may have?

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    Would the steps be the same if I do it on my beige Chanel that has previously been dyed? Actually what would be the additional steps if I wanted to dye my beige calfskin Chanel another color at the same time as restoring the creases.

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    >>> Would the steps be the same if I do it on my beige Chanel that has previously been dyed?

    The sequence of steps would be the same regardless of color.


    >>> Actually what would be the additional steps if I wanted to dye my beige calfskin Chanel another color at the same time as restoring the creases.


    Redyeing is performed in Step-3A before AnilineTop-76G with Aniline-76 (these are the transparent coating dye system for the black bag).
    If you wish to block off the base beige to another color, an opaque micro-pigment coloring system with Micro-54 > MicroTop-54S/G or Napa-84 > NapaTop-84G system (lacquer emulsion that forms discontinuous film that allows leather to breathe better and easier application without the need to airbrushing) is recommended.
    Good to see pictures to properly identify its finishes to produce best result.

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    Here’s pictures of the beige one. It has been redyed to cover some blue stains

    Is there a kit you would recommend?

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    >>> Here’s picture of the beige one.
    What color does you intent to re-color?

    >>> It has been redyed to cover some blue stains
    Recommend that you need to removed or stripped the entire finishes with Stripper-2.3 > Rinse-3.0 system replacing Step-1 mentioned above. The closest to the original base or crust color the less coloring products you would need.

    >>> Is there a kit you would recommend?
    You may need a custom package and maybe with a Pearlescent or Metallic Gold secondary coloring for extra beauty may interest you.
    http://www.leatherdoctor.com/pearl-97/

    http://www.leatherdoctor.com/metallic-98/

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    Im looking into dyeing it a much darker color (burgundy or black) so i can keep using the bag for a long time and keeping it a matte color to hide the condition of the leather.

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    Since you already have a “black” above a burgundy or antique-brown with Aniline-76 system would be closed to Chanel original lambskin finishes. The need to removed its existing finished would be mandatory, otherwise it still may show through. Recommend that first the existing finishes be removed before deciding which color system best blend in. If you like this idea then, we can discuss how best to do it.

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    Yeah that would be a good start. Can u recommend me the products to buy and steps please

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    See some tips here
    http://www.leatherdoctor.com/aniline-76/

    Basic you need:

    1- Strip existing finishes with Stripper-2.3
    http://www.leatherdoctor.com/stripper-2-3/

    1A - Using StrippingBrush-9
    http://www.leatherdoctor.com/strippingbrush-9/

    1B - with LeatherEraser-4
    http://www.leatherdoctor.com/leathereraser-4/

    1C - with Sand-2000
    http://www.leatherdoctor.com/sand-2000/

    Control dried leathers from stiffness and cracking:

    2- Hydrator-3.3
    http://www.leatherdoctor.com/hydrator-3-3/

    3- Fatliquor-5.0
    http://www.leatherdoctor.com/fatliquor-5-0/

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    Step 1 - Degreasing to remove body oil, grease and sweat with Degreaser-2.2 > Acidifier-2.0 system.

    Do I still need the degreaser 2.2 and acidifier 2.0?

    Step 2 - Hydrating with Hydrator-3.3 to relax and stretch out the creases / indents and reactivate dormant dyestuff to refresh fading.
    Step 3 - Replenishing or top-up with Fatliquor-5.0 to the original average of 14% fat and oil content when dry.

    Step 4 - Top coating refinishing with AnilineTop-76G to restore original gloss.
    Do I still finish with the aniline Top -76G? Is that the color? If I wanted a burgundy color which color should I be gettting?

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    >>> Step 1 - Degreasing to remove body oil, grease and sweat with Degreaser-2.2 > Acidifier-2.0 system. Do I still need the degreaser 2.2 and acidifier 2.0?

    Step-1 - Stripper-2.3 > Rinse-3.0 system may also remove the body oil, grease and sweat to satisfaction, otherwise continue with Degreaser-2.2 > Acidifier-2.0 system as Step-1A


    >>> Step-2 - Hydrating with Hydrator-3.3 to relax and stretch out the creases / indents and reactivate dormant dyestuff to refresh fading.


    (This is talking about your Chanel black lambskin Aniline finishes that is subject to fading. Unlike pigmented finishes like the beige one, which is not subject to fading). Hydrator-3.3 has many functions and you may benefits from it accordingly.


    Step-3 - Replenishing or top-up with Fatliquor-5.0 to the original average of 14% fat and oil content when dry.


    >>> Step 4 - Top coating refinishing with AnilineTop-76G to restore original gloss.


    AnilineTop-76G comes after Aniline-76.


    >>> Do I still finish with the AnilineTop-76G? Is that the color?

    Aniline-76 is the Dyestuff (transparent like varnish vs paint on wood).
    Color in leather is always refers to “Pigment” like Napa-84 or Micro-54 system.


    >>> If I wanted a burgundy color which color should I be gettting?

    Burgundy derives from “Pigmented” (opaque) coloring either Napa-84 or Micro-54 system. It is a mix of maroon and black see Color Shading Examples: http://www.leatherdoctor.com/color-matching-service/

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    I'm actually kind of excited to try and refresh this bag myself.

    So glad that you are helping me out on this project.

    I just put in an order for the basic you mentioned. As recommended, i'll strip the color first then we can decide on which color system to use and color to dye. Please review my order and let me know if i am missing something.

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    >>> Please review my order and let me know if i am missing something.

    I believe you would use the Stripper-2.3 more then the other products and the 120ml size will soon run out. Recommend that you standby a quart refill to continue rather then waiting for supply to arrive, same as for the other 3 products. Note: In a "wet process" the leather is recommended to keep damp or wet (about 25%) and ends with sufficient Fatliquor-5.0 (up to 14% when dry) before a slow dry and finally massage to dry to avoid or prevent existing micro-crazing or cracks to magnified or look worse. Caution! The unnatural creases or wrinkles are potential cracking areas - which is already too dry of fatliquor (that is not sufficient fatliquor the main reason).

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    i cant seem to be able to find my order in my account on theleatherdoctor.com , would it be possible to cancel my order so i can put in another one? If i understand correctly, my shopping cart should include the Stripper-2.3, Hydrator-3.3, Fatliquor-5.0 and Rinse-3.0 all in Quart size?

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    Yes, order cancelled and refunded!

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